How do you know more of what God prefers more than Franklin Graham or Mennonites? As is knowledge of the Theotokos. R'eyes via Compfight Peter Enns is the master at creating blog titles that are both clever and provocative. Peter Enns, Ph.D. Peter Enns Abram S. Clemens Professor of Biblical Studies 610-341-1491 McInnis 200B [email protected] Dr. Enns is a biblical scholar who teaches and writes on Old Testament, New Testament, Second Temple Judaism, and the intersection of biblical studies and contemporary Christian faith. And there are also periods of painful disillusionment and depression that look like withdrawal symptoms that even Christians suffer after at least partially self-Inducing and sustaining a high on Jesus for years. Pete: I much prefer your brand of Christianity to others, and the world would be a better place if more people thought like you. ? While others can ask the question and seem to do so with little reason to give thought to which God. How do you know these are HIS words? Introduction to the Old Testament; Introduction to the New Testament; Biblical Hermeneutics; Israelite History and Historiography; Hebrew Prophets; Romans in Context; Genesis in Context; Research Methods in Biblical Studies; From Conquest to Exile; Wisdom and Psalms; Science and the Bible; Torah. Joyfully I can say that as a conservative Presbyterian, some of my closest friends are devout Roman Catholics. In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Daniel Kirk joins Pete and Jared to explain the major themes in the book of Romans, why the Romans Road view of salvation is insufficient, and how a focus on God's righteousness through Jesus Christ shaped Paul's vision of harmony between Jews and Gentiles. As claimed, the Incarnation passed through our material and human existence. This is the third post in a series on how God speaks to us in Scripture, following a discussion on what the early church fathers believed about how that process happened and Kenton Sparks' adoptionist proposal of a sacred "broken" Bible.. If we raise it all today (or tomorrow or Wednesday tbh) we're going to make. Scientists tend to understand everything through the lens of our basic five senses which reside in our body and soul. Here's where the money is going! You presume too much Ed. I said that when it comes to experiences, peoples experience of Allah or Yahweh or Jesus or Krishna or Buddha lay along a wide spectrum. As if chosen by God to tell people who should be a christian based on their concerns regarding the bible. Lets not let a label lead us toward an equivocation. Were two thousand years in. Those are all things that can be looked at. Such a person in fact believes Him to exist in Parts. Got you. He has taught extensively at the seminary and doctoral levels (Westminster Theological Seminary, Princeton Theological Seminary, Harvard Divinity School, Fuller Theological Seminary, Lutheran Theological Seminary in Philadelphia, Biblical Theological Seminary) and on the undergraduate level (Temple University and Messiah College). If He was visible to the eye, and perceivable to the senses, He would have resembled the things that are visible and perceivable to the senses on account of their being compound and created and in that case He would no longer have remained a creator. Posts about pete enns written by Jesse Winn. http://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2016/01/gods-mixed-messages-youth-pastor-killed.html There are also cases of people who were converted to Christianity after suffering drug or alcohol addiction, but later they realized Christianity was their new drug and gave that up too, and felt BETTER for having done so: Sorry for the aimless rambling and thanks again for your post! As Read Post The Evangelical Mind February 5, 2013 Category: General Tags: Doubt, Peter Enns, The Mind, The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind, Theology, Wisdom Let us have both a precision of mind and openness of heart in dialoging on these matters. I suggest maybe you read your Bible again. Biblical scholar and author Dr. Peter Enns will be in Lynchburg for a series of "Evolution Weekend" events February 15-16, joining with many other such efforts nationwide under the umbrella of the Clergy Letter Project.. Show Notes This episode was . He argues that the Bible should not be used as a literal "instruction manual but as a model for our spiritual journey," a very liberal take on Christianity. Graciousness to Americans and more? Intelligence, understanding and attainment cannot attain the depth of knowledge to study or scrutinise the Godhead. And it is that faith that is pleasing to God, and further that faith is a gift from God in the first place. If he receives no answer, fine. Abstrak Permasalahan dalam tulisan ini terletak pada isu doktrin eskatologi tentang kerajaan seribu tahun, khususnya dalam pandangan dispensasionalisme dengan covenant theology. Interesting title. Peter Enn's Argument for a Metaphorical Interpretation of the Bible and Why Universalism Is As Legit As . By Peter K. Enns I have published three books: Hijacking the Agenda (with Chris Witko, Nate Kelly and Jana Morgan), Incarceration Nation, and Who Gets Represented? The idea there is magic in the universe is ridiculous, childish, and completely impossible. After I became more of a questioner, and more curious about a lot of things I no longer experienced such manic-depression. Find it on Amazon: http://amzn.to/19X9WC7Find it at CBD: http://bit.ly/1dnBcesPeter Enns discusses the inerrancy of the Bible as an often contentious topic. I think the wrong way of knowing Peter refers to as rational analysis possibly could be better worded as non-paradoxical., In some ways (at least today), I cant help but think the answer to the does God exist? riddle is the Zens .. Im not discounting the importance of thinking through these deep questions. For me, I often think about thinking in this context more than either a historically analytical school or even Continental. . Reason and sagacity cannot visualise Him. To the person without that God-Given faith, none of this makes any sense or is believable. He has written numerous books, including The Bible Tells Me So, The Sin of Certainty, and How the Bible Actually Works. I have written on Peter Enns before on our blog (see the link in the analysis to Evans' book) but seeing his name again led me to look up Enns and I found he wrote a recent piece on his blog titled "How Can I Trust the Bible . But I see no reason to believe that Jesus of Nazareth has been, is, or will be the means of grace or hope of glory. Slow chuckle. One final question. 2. For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain. And this is the connection to mysticism. Acts of Interpretation features essays by biblical scholars and theologians offering broad reflections on key interpretive issues, rich readings of challenging biblical texts, and interaction with the Christian exegetical tradition from Melito of Sardis to Dietrich Bonhoeffer.The contributors to this volume are leading figures in the theological interpretation of Scripture. There do not exist words in any language to specify or define His qualities, peculiarities, characteristics and singularities. I use the words intelligent and basis. The question presumes that belief in God is something to be settled on the basis of intelligence, education, knowledge of facts, etc. Because of the differences in interpreting Adam by biblical scholars, Dr. Enns believes that it is unwise to "cling too rigidly to any one approach" (107). Hi, Reddit! I think the fruit are the realities that a religion has caused to create. It certainly seems that way as we compare the experiences of people across faiths. No matter how much you imagine or try. You can hold your views and that is simply fine (I respect them) but just because you cannot see the reasons for people maintaining a doubting christian faith does not mean you are right and everyone else should take a step further and doubt the whole thing That is an over simplification of the complexity of the christian faith. (As ridiculous as it may sound in our context) I was on a run and received a word of prophecy to deliver to an old friend. Furthermore, I believe it just to consider that biases are adaptive. I like the fruit of this way of knowingeverything from electricity and medicine to electron-microscopesand radio telescopes. As we do for so many other experiences and perceptions deeply subjective in nature. I also suspect that you and Frank probably share many criticisms of your more conservative Christian pasts. Both accounts included a boat in which just a few people, along with animals, are saved from a universal flood. One task that gives me great joy is to introduce students to the big picture of the biblical story and to develop insight and respect for how the Old and New Testaments are in conversation with each other. Try an approach that says were really not sure but most likely in my opinion this is the one I think it is. The Evolution of Adam: What the Bible does and doesn't say about human origins Jonathan Jong 2012, Theology and Science Abstract In this review, I summarize and critically evaluate Peter Enns's claim that evangelicals ought not read Genesis 13 literally. I think there are multiple reality tunnels and people make many different claims concerning their personal experiences. Magic is not real. We're raising 50k for our campaign. @peteenns. He was after all, our first RC President. There are multitudes of examples of God giving evidence to his people so they might believe, or trust him. This blog was first posted in March 2016. Some come by more rational means, others emotional, others mystical, Who am I, or you, to say any one way is the right way. Every disciple of the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who draws out from their storage room things both old and new. But you can deny that my experience reflects actual motion in reality. Peter is 61 years old. It seems like deep human contact or contact with God can exist only within the framework of these projects, based on the protocols of the overarching system. First, note the way I phrased the staged questions above. It is vitally important that we respond with a yes when He calls, and this is why humility is sooo important. And we do this not by relying on our experiences at the subjective level as some private matter , but we take what can be shared about that subjective experience and put it on the table for all to look at and compare. I would like you to rethink your own perspective a bit more, perhaps move a bit more toward universalism and religious pluralism like John Hick, but even that would not be nearly as far away from your present point of view as the distance you have already come from fundamentalism to your present point of view. Scientism and that we can only know things based on empirical evidence or data is also obviously wrong. Also try googling sea of faith.. Now to consider these values a bit, we can exercise some examples. So we have an eyewitness account of a historical event in which God reveals His great pleasure in His Son, Jesus Christ. Left the Ministry. It is knowing of a different order. Enns-FR.jpg. Contemplation is apprehension uncluttered by thoughtparticularly preconception and analysis. One big reason is that I am convinced I would already be dead many times over without Gods guidance. Sorry for the late reply. It is in this context, that Christianity, for me, is a profound disappointment. Matthew 13:52. Many dont understand that the contentions among faiths are fought (and will be won in the end) not on the grounds of being right, but on the grounds of making the world right. The universal and self-evident problem of death 2: The universal . "what Genesis says about Adam and the consequences of his actions does not seem to line up with the universal picture that Paul paints in Romans and 1 Corinthians []. One thing that is crystal clear about Enns is that he hates rules. Instead it looks like people have a wide variety of reality tunnels and interpretations. Youre closer than you think. Then here you go! Read Dr. Enns onThe Bible for Normal People One of the things I wonder is how these two general groups not talk past each other. And for doing it at Westminster Theological Seminary, just as Paul Seely did. Doesnt everyone including yourself feel an urge to respond given an open forum and divergent points of view? If you ask your typical Tibettan Buddhist monk, deeply committed to this same type of contemplative knowing, to describe their experience they will articulate something akin to everything you describe. When asked, do you believe God exists?, I cant help but response with, what do you mean by God?'. Peter Enns (Ph.D., Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of biblical studies at Eastern University in St. Davids, Pennsylvania. I am not embarrassed by it at all. The good news is that those who humble themselves and say yes when He calls do experience Him in an undeniable complete way. Universalism is the belief that everyone eventually will be saved. One, what does God mean? To me, simply, neither these two billion adherents nor there leaders really seem all that differentiated from their peer adherents of Allah, Brahma, and more in sacred task of transforming the world. Their experiences of the numinous, or visions or miracles also range far and wide, including the claims of Catholics who see the sun dance, or claim saints cured them or just the saints bones, or the visionary experiences of native Americans, New Agers, UFO abductees (whatever they are experiencing), and wide range of different NDE experiences that dont seem to point in the direction of any one religion being the only true one. The list of aspects offered doesnt quite get us to a means by which to assess exclusivity. Here's the heart of it: 'Westminster Theological Seminary's board voted to suspend tenured professor Peter Enns last week after a two-year theological debate over his 2005 book, Inspiration and Incarnation. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. Mitchel Modine is an Old Testament scholar who works at Asia-Pacific Nazarene Theological Seminary. So please do not think I am trying to quantitize it in some scientific sense. In her book Shameless, Nadia Bolz-Weber argues for a new Christian sexual ethic that allows for moderate pornography consumption, one-night stands, same-sex encounters, and virtually any sexual activity that demonstrates a "concern for each other . . Bravo for that! I presume you are referring to Islam in your final sentence? It goes without saying that the writings you mentioned can contain interesting concepts, but they do not reveal the God of the universe anymore than an Agatha Christy mystery, which I dearly enjoy. Some people really like what I say. I tend to experience *both* God and people in the manner described. One of the hallmarks of progressive Christianity is a rejection of biblical sexuality, and an affirmation of same-sex marriage and premarital sex. I get your post. Having beliefs was like always clinging tightly to something in the water to keep one afloat, always being afraid of letting go and learning to swim in the sea of faith. Thanks Pete! Such soon discover that He is indeed a God Who communicates and is very capable of laying out a clear path for us to follow. Or at least you have come near enough to listen and understand much of what Frank has to say. But our access to the world of the Spirit is made possible by the existence of our own spirit. Id rather live today in the western world than at any other time in human history. To paraphrase a much more succinct statement on the matter faith without works is a setup for very damaging failure. There are emergent properties associated with all healthy relationships, and these are put at risk when we struggle with knowing and doubting to maladaptive degrees. The moronic Magic-Man-Fantasy was the human races greatest mistake. He affirms that Israel's laws were not new in content but were uniquely in that they were connected to a monotheistic community-Israel (57). I love this observation, especially about projects and their being emphatically contrasted to silence and solitude. Im not sure the world would be a better place if more people thought like me, though do you mind if I out this on my resume? 1. Thatjust doesnt work for me. Now, whether this evidence is good evidence or not. Id suggest there are other qualitative characteristics too. But is that version of a Messiah a bringer of healing to all? I have been following your story since the Westminster brouhaha (and enjoyed and endorsed your books to others online) but I dont recall reading your whole story from your youth, which I am sure would be interesting, probably some overlap with Randal Rausers and my own Evangelical Christian youth. Here might be some: Healing, forgiveness, graciousness, redemption, justice, protection, universality. M.A. By some measure, through Jesus of Nazareth and the ensuing religion of Christianity, a longing has been fulfilled; there has been great participation. In fact, there are now around two billion adherents to the faith. IMHO knowing God is as relevant as your next breath, I mean, who gave you that breath? . In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. . People who can conceive N concepts of God seem more adapt at considering the one concept of God of the person who can conceive one concept of God than people who can conceive one concept of God making sense of the N concepts of God of the others schema. I am committed to encouraging young Christian men and women to explore their faith by engaging Scripture, and in so doing make their faith their own and mature as followers of Christ. Indeed. As I see it, knowledge ofGod accesses different ways of knowing. Christian mysticism should . . Peter Enns Age He was born on January 2, 1961, in Passaic, New Jersey, in the United States. Again, while it takes a God-given faith to believe the substance of Peter and Johns testimonies, are we to take from your article that we should not put trust in the authenticity of their writings? Peter K. Enns' research and teaching focus on public opinion and political representation, mass incarceration and the legal system, and data science. Your argument for disbelief is foolish, because God cannot be like any of the things perceived by the senses, nor can He be said to bear any resemblance to anything which has to undergo an ordeal of change and decay. If only she knew in her lifetime that more than just those nuns was going to be reading her works but many people would be influenced and inspired by her theology. Perhaps agreat offense to many of us in the modern world is thatGod is not known in the way we are used to knowing many other thingswhich is a hard pill to swallow if youre committed to evidence-based knowing as the only path forward. Evidence used that way is a foundationalist dead end, but thats not the only way of interpreting Experience, of which scientific experiments are one kind. Its generally NOT considered trustworthy; if it was then Bigfoot and alien abductions would be accepted beyond the fringe as accurate descriptions of reality/history. Like someone is running for political office. Peter Enns is an American theologian, author, professor, and Biblical scholar. In asking does God exist?, Ive heard it said that two very large questions are revealed or not. . Talk of a vibrant Christian faith seems overblown. Then once that person starts walking with God God (should) will reveal the truth to them. http://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2015/03/on-recovering-from-alcoholism-drug.html, See also my paper the critiques the claim that the Christian experience is unique darkness, a vulnerable faith, and the normal Christian life, Spirituality and the Awakening Self: The Sacred Journey of Transformation, http://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2015/08/christians-or-non-christians-who-suffer.html, http://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2016/01/gods-mixed-messages-youth-pastor-killed.html, http://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2015/03/on-recovering-from-alcoholism-drug.html, http://infidels.org/library/modern/ed_babinski/experience.html, http://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2015/01/leaving-ministry-left-ministry-polls.html, http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/cruz-any-president-who-doesnt-begin-every-day-his-knees-isnt-fit-be-commander-chief-nation, http://www.al-islam.org/tradition-myrobalan-fruit-hadith-al-halila-imam-jafar-al-sadiq/hadith. And there is no one way to come to belief or faith in God, and in Christ our Savior. Really, evidence is simply a modern, western way of coming to belief or faith or knowledge? And if you dont fit into the system? http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/cruz-any-president-who-doesnt-begin-every-day-his-knees-isnt-fit-be-commander-chief-nation. Fideism is a rich and credible approach to knowing God. Out of curiosity may I know your position on 2nd Peter. I suspect it is because they are not comfortable with any other way of knowing. The Spirit? We struggle with and within the limits of what we can come to know. There are multiple (a lot!) Im trying to think through/explore this. Over the next twelve months our focus will be "Old and New: An . You cannot relate to it if you dont have a little one of your own. who made you need milk? To dig down a little deeper theologically, I can deeply understand the paradox of the Incarnation of not only a God-as-man, but in the form of a baby in a manager in Galilee in first century Palestine. And even ones blindness to this And lAck of understanding the necessity of grAtitude for thAt Is not a barricade to the reality of the creator of ones flesh & spirit. M The Bible (NT and OT) both contain stories of humans having doubt while also trusting God (Elijah, Peter, Thomas, hell, all of them for that matter). I am married and trust my wife but like anything, marriage is a complete trust that the other person will be faithful (for better or worse) we live in the tensions of trusting people everyday (even strangers we do not know who drive vehicles). As a Bible teacher at Eastern University and a producer of homeschool Bible curriculum, Dr. Enns through this book continues his destructive influence on the faith and biblical understanding of countless children and adults. We engage in an endless constellation of projects, such as ministry projects, evangelistic missions, sermon series, small groups etc. Mysticsare . Magic is not real therefore magical deities are impossible. I teach courses in Old and New Testaments at Eastern University (near Philadelphia). It is no more Western and modern than the Greek-named constellations are ancient and Greek or the Arabic-named stars are Medieval and Arab. This happens not in our mind, but in our spirit. Now one can doubt that the man, Peter ever lived, but there are extra-biblical references to him as being the head of the church. Their work involves moving from the phenomenon through the perceptual equipment to the physical biology that makes subjective states objectively real. Thank you Joseph. longing But if he gets a response in morse, he doesnt need to empirically see whats on the other side to begin the process of knowing the other side. Evidence: The heavens declare the glory of God. Pages turning 185-ca. Bavinck has a tendency to get to the point doesnt he ? Are we to have doubts that Lincoln actually wrote it there are no living eye-witnesses needless to say. The only reason I could see us being worried about being wrong about a certain path/religion/idea/concept would be because God (our Creator) might reject us if we chose the wrong path. I find much of the tradition of Christianity over the last 2,000 yearsand most acutely in the generations of my life in Americato have failed what I consider to be the best centerings of the apocalyptic hope of Jesus of Nazareth. We know by comparing our own, internal, subjective experiences of sight that this is a largely reliable sense. But by putting these experiences on the table and sharing them, we can say some objective things about them. Eye-witness accounts on Mount Sinai, the Mount of transfiguration, the road to Damascus and on and on. Government, College of Arts and Sciences/Public Policy, Jeb E. Brooks School of Public Policy. This discovered aspect is something that has given us shared trust in the way of knowing and ability to converge on what is true. 2) Do their beliefs about God or Gods or whatever bring us to harming the other or the world, or bring us to healing and redeeming? I didnt say anything about your knowledge of other religions. Peter Enns is a very appealing writer evidenced in his The Bible Tells Me So. Many say, Lord, Lord. Small is the gate and narrow is the road. Thats not to say that understanding the world as-is doesnt matter; it does. Objectively and factually so. Perhaps the thing that could hold rationality, mysticism, intuition, etc all together is love- as a way of knowing. I like your emphasis here. Thanks for posting this. Many miss it here because they want to be in control of any such relationship. Per the books blurb, The Sin of Certainty models an acceptance of mystery and paradox that all believers can follow and why God prefers this path because it is only this way by which we can become mature disciples who truly trust God.. Could it well be that this spiritual sense is very prone to illusion as well? . In Roman Catholicism, Peter is seen as the first vicar of the church and so on. Abram S. Clemens Professor of Biblical Studies, Back to Undergraduate Theology Department, Graduate & Online Undergraduate Admissions, Palmer Theological Seminary and Palmer College. The question Is God real? is equal to the question Is magic real?. And there are child-rearing costs to and constraints concerning size of head vs. size of pelvis. None the less, I believe in Democracy and think Iron Man is awesome. And both stories end with a sacrifice to a deity. 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